posted by
sigelphoenix at 10:35am on 22/04/2008 under comic books, feminism and sexism, sex and body issues, things to lol at
Posted here.
On the one hand, this is just a pretty, pretty image. I like Hughes' style, and the way his lines just look ... graceful? I don't know; I don't have the vocabulary to describe it.
However, I also think Michael Turner has a "pretty" style if you ignore the fact that all his women have the same face and, on the scale of Rob-Liefeld-to-Alex-Ross, his sense of anatomy ain't that high. So, in a way, does Greg Land if you ignore the fact that the women's facial expressions are either vacant or incongruous, body parts from different models are cobbled together, different characters look the same and the same characters look different - and, oh yeah, the whole tracing thing. So "pretty" definitely isn't everything.
My first question is, why are the women drawn like this? There's certainly nothing wrong with pretty gowns, but it's not like we're going to see a corresponding poster with the men of the DCU in slinky formal wear (or are we?). The women are also in various sultry/vampy poses, which serve to make them look more appealing for the (heterosexual male) viewer's benefit.
What saves the image from just being pandering, though, is the touch of self-consciousness I get from Hughes' choice of poses. In particular, Catwoman (on the far left) is half-turned away from the viewer, and looks as if this whole mess is beneath her. Oracle (to the right of Catwoman) looks honestly amused, like she gets the secret joke. Black Canary and Power Girl (the blondes to the right of Oracle) have pretty standard sexy-vacant model looks on their faces - however, it could also be in character (people who know them better - check?) for them to ham it up like this without actually being vapid.
Now let's talk about breasts: one of the most eye-catching parts of the image is Wonder Woman's gravity-defying cleavage. At least the rest of her body is in a powerful and commanding pose - but really, there's no justification, given the utter lack of supportive clothing. And then there's Power Girl, whose breasts are unsurprisingly the size of her head, and are not supported by a correspondingly wide waist. Both of these women's character designs could be made to work, but you can just expect me to accept them as they are.
On the other hand, I am pleased that Supergirl has smaller, believable-teenager breasts. Heck, I'm pleased that all the women don't have identical bust sizes. I do wish for more variety in the body shapes, though. Wonder Woman has some shoulder definition, but while she stands out as the tallest, she doesn't look strikingly more muscular than the others. Sure, they're all superheroes/villains, but she's Wonder Woman. An Amazon's body should stand out, and not just because of her cleavage.
Finally, I hate the shoes. Really. Sure, some women can wear stiletto high heels, and some women might even like them - but not all. Why is every foot shown in the image contorted into a three-inch heel? (And yes, we cannot see Wonder Woman's and Oracle's heels, but women's feet don't naturally bend that way. No, really. I don't care what you learned from comic books.) Wonder Woman in particular would have looked great in flat, strappy, Grecian sandals.
Also - guess which character is the lesbian? I bet it isn't obvious! Hurr hurr.
With those issues addressed, I think this poster could live up to its potential as a gorgeous group shot of these women having fun and looking sexy. As it is, it's pretty good but noticeably flawed.
As a side note,
nenena on LiveJournal evened things up a little by posting this link to male Disney character beefcake. Questionably worksafe, but high-larious. [Edit: Link taken down because the images were posted without artist permission. The artist is David Kawena, and you can find the images here if you have a deviantART account.]
On the one hand, this is just a pretty, pretty image. I like Hughes' style, and the way his lines just look ... graceful? I don't know; I don't have the vocabulary to describe it.
However, I also think Michael Turner has a "pretty" style if you ignore the fact that all his women have the same face and, on the scale of Rob-Liefeld-to-Alex-Ross, his sense of anatomy ain't that high. So, in a way, does Greg Land if you ignore the fact that the women's facial expressions are either vacant or incongruous, body parts from different models are cobbled together, different characters look the same and the same characters look different - and, oh yeah, the whole tracing thing. So "pretty" definitely isn't everything.
My first question is, why are the women drawn like this? There's certainly nothing wrong with pretty gowns, but it's not like we're going to see a corresponding poster with the men of the DCU in slinky formal wear (or are we?). The women are also in various sultry/vampy poses, which serve to make them look more appealing for the (heterosexual male) viewer's benefit.
What saves the image from just being pandering, though, is the touch of self-consciousness I get from Hughes' choice of poses. In particular, Catwoman (on the far left) is half-turned away from the viewer, and looks as if this whole mess is beneath her. Oracle (to the right of Catwoman) looks honestly amused, like she gets the secret joke. Black Canary and Power Girl (the blondes to the right of Oracle) have pretty standard sexy-vacant model looks on their faces - however, it could also be in character (people who know them better - check?) for them to ham it up like this without actually being vapid.
Now let's talk about breasts: one of the most eye-catching parts of the image is Wonder Woman's gravity-defying cleavage. At least the rest of her body is in a powerful and commanding pose - but really, there's no justification, given the utter lack of supportive clothing. And then there's Power Girl, whose breasts are unsurprisingly the size of her head, and are not supported by a correspondingly wide waist. Both of these women's character designs could be made to work, but you can just expect me to accept them as they are.
On the other hand, I am pleased that Supergirl has smaller, believable-teenager breasts. Heck, I'm pleased that all the women don't have identical bust sizes. I do wish for more variety in the body shapes, though. Wonder Woman has some shoulder definition, but while she stands out as the tallest, she doesn't look strikingly more muscular than the others. Sure, they're all superheroes/villains, but she's Wonder Woman. An Amazon's body should stand out, and not just because of her cleavage.
Finally, I hate the shoes. Really. Sure, some women can wear stiletto high heels, and some women might even like them - but not all. Why is every foot shown in the image contorted into a three-inch heel? (And yes, we cannot see Wonder Woman's and Oracle's heels, but women's feet don't naturally bend that way. No, really. I don't care what you learned from comic books.) Wonder Woman in particular would have looked great in flat, strappy, Grecian sandals.
Also - guess which character is the lesbian? I bet it isn't obvious! Hurr hurr.
With those issues addressed, I think this poster could live up to its potential as a gorgeous group shot of these women having fun and looking sexy. As it is, it's pretty good but noticeably flawed.
As a side note,
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As for the rest of it, I will agree it is a pretty, pretty picture. (And I would like to see the men of the DCU in formal ware.... oof *fans self*) But I agree. This is why I'm not a fan of Adam Hughes or the Dodsons, really. Their stuff looks good, but almost too good and pretty, like every bit of art has to be a glossy pin up. =/
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I actually like both Hughes and the Dodsons (abovementioned issues aside), but I go for that kind of stylized prettiness.
That's three votes so far! I think that definitely merits a formal guy group shot. :D
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Also, I think I recall the art being made by an artist on DeviantArt, I was wondering whether the bloggers didn't credit or I was just too stupid to find the link. I wish I had bookmarked the dA gallery...
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Oh, also
... the only one wearing pants and sitting in a rather "manly", relaxed fashion?
(Guess why I immediately loved her, despite not recognizing the character.)
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I do like the pose - it's confident, and she looks sexy. The pantsuit is a little weird-looking, but not bad. I just wish the lesbian character didn't get all the "male" signifiers. As someone pointed out in another commentary, Kate Kane is a socialite who often wears fancy dresses, whereas a pantsuit is more Oracle's style.
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(Actually, at first I was a bit puzzled because I kept thinking "ONE lesbian? But over there are Ivy and Harley Quinn..." -- Then I remembered that's not canon, and that DC has never been very good at queer diversity. I do love me some Manhunter, though. Even more so after so many people were whining how Obsidian was "ruined" by being "made" gay. *gives them the finger*)
Yes, the dress for Oracle striked me as a bit weird, too. I felt like... like she was dressing up just for this occasion, you know?
Dude. I'm so out of the loop with anything DCU.
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uh, blah blah art geek! And who knows, maybe he's not going for the AN style and this is how he always draws! I am not trying to make excuses for him, certainly.
I would love the men in formal wear. Omg.
the thing about that blog is that they are notorious for taking work and posting it without permission. They list the artist but said artist has no idea their work is being posted there. :(
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I am glad you're bringing your art geek to the post, because on my own I sort of flail uselessly and say "pretty!" or "not pretty!" ^^;
Ugh. I did not realize that - thanks for the heads up. Link taken down.
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the rest of his work seems more like what I'm used to seeing in american comics these days -- that sort of weirdish blend between american and anime stylings, where the eyes are just a bit too large and shiny to qualify as truly american style, but it's holding onto a lot of the detail-oriented stuff that american comic style likes. The group shot definitely looks like a compltely different style from his usual work (and, to me, that makes the inclusion of, for instance, the wheelchair really cool, because if there's anything out of place in an AN piece it would be something as inorganic and sterile as a wheelchair, but he's blended it into the flow of the piece very well.)
I also really appreciate the theme in the pic -- it's like he was given these characters and 'white and fancy' as his parameters, and he's tried to find a way to make each character's outfit reflect who they are WITHIN those parameters (ie: powergirl having the cut out, like her costume, supergirl having the short skirt, Harly having the joker tails, Selena having a white *cat*, the top hat, etc); I have to wonder how much of the theme was his idea and how much he's just working with what idea he's been given (for instance, if he would have been allowed to put sandals on WW, because maybe the art director was "all in ball gowns and heels! 4reel.")
apparently I haven't been getting my art crit disposal taken care of ^^;;;;;;
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I like the costume details, too, and I think they help in making the women look distinct. There is some differentiation in the face and body types - certainly more than typical comic art - but, whereas Diana and Harley definitely look like individuals, a few, like Black Canary, were hard for me to place. Admittedly, though, I'm not as familiar with the DC characters as other fans.
Dispose of your art crit here! On my own I wouldn't have picked up the style, or thought about the influence of art direction. I know Hughes is "big" enough that he probably gets a lot of free reign, but I don't know what the production process is for creating a pinup.
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Now that I look at it more carefully, I'm bugged by the fact that the end of her braid seems disconnected from the rest of her hair.
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That said, I agree with all the issues you raised -- particularly about the shoes. I wanna see some flat-sandals on Diana! And stompy boots! And something flat-heeled but still elegant and sexy! (such shoes do exist, guys!) I mean, at least lets see some variety here. >_>
As far as body types go, I think that Power Girl might actually have bigger shoulders than Wonder Woman n that picture...
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I've been hunting for flat-heeled but elegant shoes, myself, because I'm definitely not one of those women who can wear three-inch stilettos. And, while I can attest to the fact that shoes like that are bloody hard to find ... this is make believe! Hughes should be able to make them up and draw them!